Wednesday, April 12, 2006

Those Who Do Not Study History...

So #1 Son tells us tonight that at "Mommy's" church (supposedly Lutheran and actually her husband's, not hers), his Sunday class learned that the Lutheran church came about because Martin Luther didn't believe in tithing. Um, don't you mean indulgences? No, he's certain they said tithing.

((Here Scone pinches her eyes together and rubs her aching head but does not actually quote Malachi 3:8-10.))

Well, that would explain a few things Miss Thing has said. It explains why their biggest point of doctrine seems to be that churches that teach tithing are evil and that all their members are going to hell and should therefore be screamed at. On the other hand, it doesn't explain how this group can teach whatever they want and still call themselves Lutheran. Our dear friends down the street are quite strongly Lutheran and have never heard of such a thing in their church. Is that normal? These congregations are less than 100 miles apart, not on opposite sides of the world or anything. Anybody know what's up here?

6 comments:

Cricket said...

Although I have no idea how it relates to tithing, there is the much larger American Lutheran denomination called the ELCA, and the much smaller, highly conservative (and whacko in the opinion of many) Missouri Synod, although it isn't confined to Missouri. For them, you must present a card saying you're Missouri Synod before you can receive communion. I was the ELCA version of Lutheran for many years.

Dorothy said...

Go visit Renee, she's linked on my blog and she's Lutheran. I'm sure she'd be able to answer that question. She actually only lives about an hour and half from you in Parker, CO.

Kory O said...

Funny, I always remember Chris (may bees pee upon him) telling me that it was the sale of indulgences in the Catholic Church that got Luther's pants in a bunch.

I remember him making a big deal about that when he was trying to convince me of the superiority of his religion, and it kind of took the wind out of his sails when I asked him what an indulgence was. I honestly never heard of one before that. Even my dad was a bit rusty on that concept, and he was Mr Knight of Columbus.

We don't tithe, so I don't know where they came up with that. But hey, what do I know about Catholic theology, right? ;)

Scone said...

I'm pretty sure that history is clear on Luther's list of objections; high up there was certainly the sale of indulgences. We ended up having a long discussion last night about the ignorance running rampant in the Dark Ages because people just accepted whatever was taught to them in church and never read the Bible or anything. Of course, people back then didn't have much of a choice.

Ivy said...

K, I get to whip out my official "qualified to teach Church History" papers. M.Div , almost Ph.D. Plus I was raised Lutheran, though I'm not a church member now.

Lutherans would dearly love it if they could get people to tithe. But they can't. So they don't.
Luther had lots of problems with the Catholic church. Indulgences run high on the 95 theses list that he nailed to the church door.

Jack said...

There's also a Wisconsin Synod of the Lutheran Church. I wouldn't be surprised to hear there are more. Wisconsin and Missouri Synods are both common here in Wisconsin. They are both Lutheran churches, but dissent from each other on some points of doctrine and/or practice. And yeah, sometimes they have churches right up the block from each other each supporting large, vibrant congregations who all consider themselves "Lutheran". If I were Lutheran and talking religion with a fellow Lutheran, "which synod are you" would be an early question to get out of the way.